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Demystifying Book Writing with Guest Chandler Bolt: MakingBank S2E8

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Chandler Bolt

Demystifying Book Writing with Guest Chandler Bolt: MakingBank S2E8

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Chandler Bolt

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Summary

Many entrepreneurs build successful businesses simply by focusing on their greatest strength—the one thing they do better than anyone else.

But how many entrepreneurs build successful businesses by focusing on their greatest weakness?

And that’s what makes today’s guest on Making Bank, Chandler Bolt, so interesting—he decided to go against the grain and build a business with his greatest weakness—writing.

A lifetime “C” English student and college dropout, Chandler overcame his hatred of writing to write five, best-selling books including The Productive Person, Book Launch, and Published.

He then went on to start the Self-Publishing School, a business that’s helped thousands of people write and publish their own books. The school did $3.2 MILLION in revenue during its first year of operation, and is today considered the #1 online resource for first-time authors.

Tune-in as Chandler demystifies the book writing process and discusses…

  • The importance of learning by doing
  • Why you need to crunch the timeline for writing
  • The 3 stages of writing a book: mind map, outline, write
  • The danger of tying your self-worth to your business
  • The importance of daily success rituals
  • How to work through the struggles of writing a book

And much more…

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Josh Felber: Welcome to Making Bank, I am Josh Felber, where we uncover the success strategies and the secrets of the top 1%, so you can amplify and transform your life and your business. Today’s guest I’m super excited and honored to have on the show is Chandler Bolt. He is the author of five best-selling books, including Book Launch and his most recent book titled Published.

He’s also the Founder and CEO of the Self-Publishing School. It’s the number one online resource for writing your first book. Through his books, training videos, and Self-Publishing School, he’s helped thousands of people on their journey to writing their first book. Chandler, I want to welcome you to Making Bank.

Chandler Bolt: Josh, great to be here, man. Thank you for having me.

Josh Felber: Sure. Tell me a little bit about your background. I was doing a little bit of research and really dove in and just found out you went from a broke college student to a millionaire in 18 months. I mean, tell us a little bit about how did you do that? What was going on?

Chandler Bolt: Yeah. I decided to drop out of school. For me, I got tired of learning how to run a business from professors who had never ran a business. That really didn’t make too much sense to me. I’d ran some small businesses in high school and in college, and my dad runs kind of a construction company, so a local business back where I’m from, which is South Carolina, so out kind of in the country.

Josh Felber: Awesome.

Chandler Bolt: Very blue collar family. My parents met at a factory and they kind of worked their way into being, I don’t know, a little version of the American dream, right?

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: They both run their own companies, which is cool. That inspired me growing up. I started my first couple of companies when I was younger, so when I was in high school and college and then eventually decided to drop out. I wrote a book in the meantime. So I dropped out of school and I knew I wanted to start a business, but I didn’t know what that business was going to be.

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: So, I ended up writing a book, and that kind of changed everything for me. When I published my book, it brought in close to $7,000 in the first month.

Josh Felber: Wow.

Chandler Bolt: And continue to bring in thousands of dollars every month in passive income. It was one of those things where I said you know that whole Rich Dad Poor Dad, Robert Kiyosaki, it’s like passive income equals real estate. Then I determined that I didn’t have enough money to buy real estate, so I guess I can’t have any passive income. Then the book started making all this money and really the bigger thing than the passive income was the opportunities beyond it.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: Being able to build a podcast like this, Business Insider, Huffington Post, building an email list, a business, like all these things, and so that really sparked down into Self-Publishing School. We launched Self-Publishing School in February 2015, went from zero to 1.32 million that year.

Josh Felber: Wow.

Chandler Bolt: Then we’ll do about 2.25 this year.

Josh Felber: That’s phenomenal. When you were writing your first book, tell me about … Because I’m not the best writer, so were you just a natural writer or how did you kind of find that way that was going to work for you and really make it flow?

Chandler Bolt: Yeah. It’s a great question. I’m definitely the opposite of the world’s greatest writer. In fact, I was a horrible writer and I hated … So my story is I’m a C level English student, I’m a college dropout, and I’m someone who not only hated writing, but I was really, really bad at it. So I’m under the firm belief that if I can write a book, and in fact if I can write six book, I mean, this book Published, this just came out at the time of recording this interview like a little bit ago and if you would have told me … I mean this is in the span of, we have published six books in three years.

Josh Felber: Wow.

Chandler Bolt: Three, four years. If you would have told me that like four years ago that I’d have six books, I would have said, “That’s crazy and that doesn’t even sound fun.” I just kind of tripped and fell into doing this book. I’m a firm believer if you want to get somewhere, you ask someone who’s been there how they did it.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: So I had some mentors in my life who had published books and I said, “Hey, how have you done this? Give me some tips,” and then they taught me a little bit and then I just kind of ran with it.

Josh Felber: That’s awesome. One thing you did mention was mentors. I think that’s a huge part of any type of business you’re moving forward into success and everything as well. What was one key component you found that helped you write your book and get it done? I’ve co-authored a couple of other books with people, but it’s more been verbally speaking and having somebody help craft the content and everything.

Chandler Bolt: Yeah.

Josh Felber: Then now I’m working on my own book, and so it’s taken a lot longer process to get that done. Not six books in three years as yourself.

Chandler Bolt: Right. There’s a couple of things. One is Parkinson’s law, which says that an object will swell in proportion to the amount of time or resources that you give yourself to complete it. So the first misconception is it’s going to take two years to write a book, and I like to compress that because just like the average American spends 3% more than they earn.

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: Just like when you had a paper or a project due in school, you would crunch and get it done the night before.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: Always it’s going to fill the container that you give it. Whatever container that is and whatever thing that you have to get done, it’s going to fill the container. Writing a book is no exception, even if you have a big time publishing deal, most of those authors write 90% of the book in the last two months before their manuscript deadline, right?

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: It’s Parkinson’s law.

Josh Felber: Yeah.

Chandler Bolt: I’m a firm believer in crunching the timeline, and then I have this three-step process, which is mind map, outline, write.

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: I mean, I can spend a long time going into that, but the gist of it is taking a piece of paper, dumping everything out of your head onto paper, what could potentially be the book, then you take some common themes that pop up on that mind map, you form four to seven sections. These will be like sections that you would write, so there’s four to seven of them.

You order them, and then you drill down into those sections and do more topics like three to four topics for each section. Then that becomes the chapter by chapter roadmap, which is your outline, which is step two. Then in step three, writing the book, you get two paths you can take. So you’re going to repeat the mind map and outline process, but on the chapter by chapter basis.

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: You’ll take 10 minutes to mind map everything you know in that chapter. You’ll take 10 minutes to then turn that mind map into an outline. Then you can either, this is where it’s kind of like a choose your own adventure, you can spend 40 minutes to an hour actually writing the chapter or, like you mentioned josh, you can speak the chapter and then get that transcribed and then you have something to work with.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: I found that that pre-work is really important, especially if you’re speaking because most people fire up the recorder and start talking, and then 30 minutes later they don’t know where they are or how they got there. So it helps to actually have kind of a structure, that way it’s going to shortcut your time to get that rough draft completed.

Josh Felber: Sure, okay. That makes sense, is being able to utilize the information you have to create that path to follow along with that. Definitely makes sense. I guess, tell me a little bit about when you were starting Self-Publishing School. Obviously it’s a huge success, what were some of those initial challenges? I mean, because you came from a non-business type background and this was basically your first entrepreneurial venture it sounds like, right?

Chandler Bolt: Well, I had done a few before this but small scale, right?

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: The most that I’d hit was six figures, which depending on what you consider small scale, but that was like a big time success for me is this six figures.

Josh Felber: For anybody probably.

Chandler Bolt: Yeah. But I’d done a couple of things. I had a decent foundation from stuff that I’d learned from my dad, from my parents. I’ve written a whole book on the lessons I’ve learned from them that I thought were normal and I got out into the real world and realized no one gets taught this stuff. That’s a whole book that I’ve written in itself. But I had a decent foundation. I do want to put a big asterisks here because a lot of people that will be listening or watching this they’ll immediately like, “I knew it. Chandler …” My parents were entrepreneurs. I’m just doomed, right?

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: So I want to just kind of pump the brakes on that and say that that did not make me successful. The biggest thing that my parents taught me was work ethic, and I’ve always been kind of the rawest. In sports, it’d be like, I would be up against guys who their parents paid for them to have lessons since they were like two years old, and they have got the perfect shot or the perfect swing or whatever, and I would just be out there and I looked like a caveman.

Like in baseball, they called me the robot. I was a pitcher … Oh no, no, no they called me herky-jerky, that’s what it was, herky-jerky. So I was never the most polished, but I knew that I could outwork everyone and I knew that if you give me, it’s kind of like the whole Will Smith, I will die on this treadmill, where he used to say, “You put me on the treadmill, I’ll die on that treadmill because you’re not going to outwork me.”

Josh Felber: Yeah.

Chandler Bolt: That’s just very similar thing. I think that’s been the key to my success in growing this company is yeah, there’s been a ton of really tough points and yeah, there’s been some success as well, but just kind of continually just chipping away at it. You get kind of pumped in the stomach and then you’re like, “Uh, that hurt. All right, got to get back up.” You get punched again and then it’s the highs and lows, but I think that’s what makes entrepreneurship so exciting.

Josh Felber: Cool. With that then, what … Hang on one second. Can you stick around? We’ve got to take a quick break.

Chandler Bolt: Yeah.

Josh Felber: Awesome, man. I am Josh Felber. You’re watching Making Bank and we’ll be right back.

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Welcome back to Making Bank. I am Josh Felber, and we’ve had the honor so far to speak with Chandler Bolt on how he went from a broke college student to generating over a million dollars in the first 18 months with his Self-Publishing School, as well as writing over six books in three years. It makes me feel pretty bad about myself. So Chandler, I want to welcome you back to Making Bank.

Chandler Bolt: Thanks. Hey, the goal was not to make you feel bad, so hopefully in the second half you will not feel bad about yourself.

Josh Felber: Actually it gives me the drive. It gives me like all right, how can I crunch and shorten that time span down? Tell me a little bit about, what were three defining moments that were in your life that helped you take that next level?

Chandler Bolt: There’s three that quickly come to mind.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: The first one is when I was running my business with Student Painters, my goal from day one was to be number one in the country and number one in the company. There’s managers all over, so this is Student Painters. They teach you how to run a business by running an exterior house painting company.

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: I know you’re in Ohio, they’re pretty big there.

Josh Felber: I’ve seen them, yeah.

Chandler Bolt: You probably see the red signs everywhere. You maybe even had them knock on your door and try to sell you a paint job. It’s a pretty cool company. I remember that was my goal from day one and then a few weeks into the summer, it had rained all summer and obviously you can’t paint the outside of a house when it’s raining, and so my guys weren’t getting any hours.

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: So I took my one vacation that I was going to take all summer and I’d been working I’m talking like at least minimum 13 hour days every single day.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: Like up at 5:00 something, and then I’d get home at 9:00 p.m. and then eat some dinner and then wake up do it again. This is like for months. I’d just taken my one vacation to a music festival. My brother plays in a rock and roll band called NEEDTOBREATHE and they were playing at this music festival. I was there and I had my manager call me up and he let me know that pretty much my whole team was quitting because they weren’t getting their hours.

Josh Felber: Right, yeah.

Chandler Bolt: So they weren’t making the money that they needed to make, and it was just like this punch in the stomach. I just remember, at the end of this music festival, driving all the way back home through the night. I threw my bags down at 8:00 a.m., I picked up a paint brush and I went out on the job and I started painting because all my painters had quit pretty much.

It was just this horrible feeling of I’ve sold all this work, I don’t know if I’m going to be able to fulfill it. For the first time all summer I said to myself, I don’t know if I can make it. For the first time, I’d lost belief that I would hit 100,000 and that I would be number one in the company and in the country. Then it came all the way back from that, so I ended up doing both of those things.

I did 102, and I was number one in the country for all managers. This was my first year. I just remember being on the cruise, they do a reward cruise, they give you an award and I just remember holding that thing on top of the cruise ship, just looking out over the ocean at night thinking like oh my gosh, that was the defining moment for me. I almost quit and if I would have … It put in perspective for me that your greatest successes lie just beyond your biggest failures.

Josh Felber: Yeah.

Chandler Bolt: It’s so important, is whenever I think I need to quit or I’m about to quit, I know because I’ve seen it happen firsthand, that just beyond that is actually where the biggest success lies, so it kind of helps me get some perspective. So that’s a long answer for the first defining moment.

Josh Felber: That’s awesome.

Chandler Bolt: The second defining moment was I had a friend tragically pass away. He was on a cruise with Student Painters. He fell two stories in a tragic accident and landed on his head, passed away. That reminded me a couple of things. I can go way into this. I’ve got a YouTube video that kind of gives the whole story on this. This was like the biggest impact in my whole life.

He was 20 years old and he passed away. That reminded me that A, life is short and B, that it really made me just reflect on what I was doing. I was living for the wrong reasons. I was doing things for the wrong reasons. So it really made me stop and reflect that I need to reevaluate. It made me ask a couple of questions like one was, if I were to die tomorrow, would I be happy with the life that I lived? The answer to that question was definitely not.

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: The second thing that I asked was, okay, what am I doing about it? That really shifted and I said, hey what I’m doing with Self-Publishing School is actually making people’s lives better, so I double down. It’s a whole story, but that really shook me to my core.

Then the third defining moment was in January this year, I showed up to my company retreat and I found out from one of my employees that my business partner was trying to kick me out of business. I went through this full mediation, business partner mediation. We negotiated a buyout. I bought him out of the business and it was just rough. It was a rough …

It was this time where I didn’t know whether I was going to get the company, whether I would lose it. I put my heart and soul and just slaved to make this thing what it is over the course of the year and a half, two years and it’s like this might just get yanked out from under me. So really the lesson learned from there, I’m trying to give like defining moment and lesson learned.

Josh Felber: Awesome.

Chandler Bolt: The lesson learned there was that you can get in some real trouble when your identity is tied to your business. I realized that my identity was tied to the success of my business, which is not healthy because if your business is going well, then you have great self-worth. If your business is going poorly, you have horrible self-worth and your self-worth should be independent of that.

I’ve been kind of on a track since then to really pull my self-worth and my confidence out from my business success and say, hey, this doesn’t define me as a human being. I need to have enough confidence in myself outside of just what’s the P&L say for this month or what’s the balance sheet looking like?

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: Whatever that is.

Josh Felber: I mean, those are three awesome points. I mean, just even myself I’ve been through the exact same thing. Business partner, had to get him out of the company for other reasons and then being tied so much to a business, it’s like man, when it’s down you’re feeling horrible and stuff about it. I mean, I think giving both hey, here’s what it was and here’s kind of the lesson I learned is awesome.

I hope everyone is out there writing down notes, taking notes. If not, rewind and watch that part again because that will help anything that you’re doing in your life transform your business and yourself. What are some of your daily habits? It sounds like you’re a successful guy, and you’re focused, and you’re moving yourself forward. What are some of those daily habits that have helped you move towards your success to become successful?

Chandler Bolt: Yeah, so many. It’s funny that you hit on this because rituals for me are the biggest thing. If my strongest skill is work ethic, my second strongest skill is discipline, and I’m probably one of the most disciplined people that you’ll meet. It’s just really ingrained. I feel like you have to have a methodical approach to success and if you want to be successful, it’s not going to happen by accident.

For me personally, everything changed when I started doing The Miracle Morning. It’s by Hal Elrod, a book called The Miracle Morning. It’s a morning routine. For me, it’s pretty intense routine that includes affirmation, a little bit of exercise, it includes reading, it includes, gosh, a bunch of other stuff, gratitude, journals, stuff like that. But that is the keystone for me.

If I’m waking up early, which for me is 6:00, that might not be early for some people, it might be super early for other people, but if I’m waking up at 6:00 and I’ve got my morning routine, I know that by the time the day starts since my day starts … I start work just before 8:00 o’clock, and by the time the day starts, it’s already successful no matter what happens the rest of the day, I’m good. It all starts with that morning routine.

When I do that morning routine, my day is awesome. When I don’t do that morning routine, my day usually sucks. It’s all dependent on making sure that I start strong and be focused. It’s the difference between rolling over in bed and flicking on Facebook or social media and the next thing you know, it’s 45 minutes later or being disciplined getting out of bed and grabbing a glass of water and doing some pushups, throwing in like motivational tape in my ears or something. Some people might make fun of that, but I’ve found that that actually gets me really pumped up and focused and then that carries over into my day.

Josh Felber: Yeah. No, definitely. I’m right there with you. Same thing, I dive in and get water, get hydrated and then the kids actually I incorporated it. My kids are younger so they jump in and start doing their morning routine and working out and meditation. They all have Muse headsets so they wear the Muse headbands and then they do like five minutes of calmness I guess. It’s cool

Chandler Bolt: Yeah. I love that, man. That’s awesome.

Josh Felber: No, I think that’s very critical for success, is having some sort of structure first thing in the morning, whether you get up at 4:00, 6:00, 8:00, it doesn’t matter, is the fact that you’re getting up and you have some sort of structure. You’re moving yourself forward and you’re already setting up that first part of your day successfully, so you can then tackle the rest of the day and be strong and confident and courageous. So definitely a cool thing.

I’m going to dive in a little bit. I want to learn a little bit more about Self-Publishing School, your new book and everything. Tell me a little bit of details and the insights of Self-Publishing School.

Chandler Bolt: Yeah. So Self-Publishing School, it’s an online training program. We teach people to write, market, and publish their book.

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: Our whole thing is we’ll take you from blank page to best-selling author in 90 days. It’s fast-paced. We don’t mess around. That’s spending 30 minutes to an hour a day.

Josh Felber: Wow.

Chandler Bolt: That’s the framework. It’s step by step process. It’s what I wish I had when I did my first book.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: We’ve had thousands of people go through this program. I’ve never seen a success rate as high as our success rate. Our students are really successful. Our big pillars are accountability and coaching. We hold people accountable, they’ll get their book done and then we coach them up to make sure they’re successful. The one thing that I’m really good at is marketing and then the one thing that I used to really suck at was writing.

You know how they say like the best players, if we’re talking sports, the best players are often the worst coaches, and the worst players are often the best coaches because they know what it means to struggle, I’d like to say that that’s true for me when it comes to writing. I was the worst and so I know how to teach it in a way that literally anyone can understand it. It’s such a simple process that you could have tripped and fell on your head five times as a kid and not be all there and you can come in and do this. It is a really simple process. That’s what we do. The new book is called Published.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: It’s a proven path from blank page to published author. This is like one of those things where a lot of people … I don’t know if you get this, Josh, but a lot of people are like, “Oh, this is just probably going to be a sales pitch for Self-Publishing School, right?” I’m like no. This is like all of my best stuff in this freaking book.

It’s really good. It’s the step by step process literally from okay I have an idea to I need to write it, so I need to hire an editor. I need to come up with a book title. I need to get a cover done. How do I market this thing? How do I position it? It’s literally in to in. That’s what I’m all about is teaching step by step.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: I’m a firm believer that if people are willing to put in the work and they have the right tools, so something that’s a step by step process that they can follow, then they can be successful.

Josh Felber: Yeah.

Chandler Bolt: Sometimes where I know I got confused when I was just starting out is people would say like, “All right, here’s all the things that you can and should do,” and I’m like, “Okay, what do I do first? Do I do this? I don’t know how any of this interface is with anything.” That’s kind of what the [inaudible 00:24:47] was with that book.

Josh Felber: Awesome. With Self-Publishing School then, you guys then pretty much walk people through the whole process and then you’re coaching them along the way for their book whether they’re stuck at a certain part or whatever. It’s more the hands-on kind of help you through the process, and then they do book publish. That says okay, here’s the process how you do it and it takes you step by step. You can go do it is the other option.

Chandler Bolt: Or you can ask us to help, yeah.

Josh Felber: Correct.

Chandler Bolt: Exactly, yeah.

Josh Felber: Okay. So now we’re offering them both options and for people to do that. Where do you see people most getting hang up when they’re writing their book? So they’re going through Self-Publishing School, where is kind of that bottleneck for people that makes it the most difficult?

Chandler Bolt: It’s before they get their rough draft finished. People really get hang up on this is there’s a few mistakes. We only have two rules inside Self-Publishing School. One is you can’t write more than one book at one time. The second one is that you can’t edit while you write.

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: The latter is what hangs up most people. They try to edit as they write, and that’s just a recipe for disaster. You’ve got to get to the rough draft finish line, then you’re going to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Because before you finish that rough draft, you still kind of don’t believe that you can actually do it. You’re like, “Yeah, I’m kind of working on a book, but I don’t know if I’m ever going to finish it.”

So if you get that rough draft finished, that’s the game changer. That’s where exponentially the success rate goes up with our students when they finish that rough draft. That leads me to the last mistake that people make, which is when they’re trying to write a book, the running joke is you know when a writer is on a deadline because that’s when they’ll be on Facebook the most or social media because writing can be a painful process.

Josh Felber: Sure.

Chandler Bolt: So the thing that I see people struggle with is they try to do too much. They’ll come and they’ll be like, “Chandler, I need to come up with a title for my book.” I’ll say, “Hey, have you finished the rough draft?” They say, “No,” I’ll say, “Okay, cool. Don’t talk to me about a title. We’re not talking about the title.”

They say, “I need a cover.” “Don’t talk to me about a cover. Have you finished your rough draft?” They say, “Hey Chandler, let’s talk about how I’m going to market this book.” I’m like, “Don’t talk to me about that. Have you finished your rough draft?” Especially if it’s your first book, you have to prove to yourself that you can finish that rough draft.

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: Once you do, then it’s rolling the snowball downhill, right? It gets much easier.

Josh Felber: Cool, that’s awesome. They kind of get all that done, what’s been your success? You said you’re great with the marketing and everything. What’s been your success to really get the books out there and to get that best-selling author and to really get people aware of it and start selling them?

Chandler Bolt: Yeah. For me, I’ve had multiple best-selling books, Published, we just launched it. We launched on the same day as Tim Ferriss’ Tools of Titans. That is just kind of bad luck that that happened.

Josh Felber: Thanks Tim.

Chandler Bolt: But we hit number 170 in all of Amazon. We were number four in all of self-help, Tim was number two.

Josh Felber: That’s awesome.

Chandler Bolt: We were right behind him.

Josh Felber: Yeah.

Chandler Bolt: When I say we’re best-seller some people are confused about what that means, I mean like in a legitimate category. We’re not talking underwater basket weaving or some obscure category on Amazon. This is the real deal.

Josh Felber: Right.

Chandler Bolt: That’s the success that we’ve had. We’ve had people sign publishing deals after self-publishing through our school. We’ve had people book thousands of dollars in speaking gigs. We’ve had people use a book to transform their business and bring in tens of thousands of dollars. I mean, it’s all across the board and I want to just really stress that success doesn’t end just when you publish your book.

Josh Felber: With Self-Publishing School and the books and everything you have coming out, what’s kind of that legacy that you want to leave as you are creating all this?

Chandler Bolt: I want to know that long after I leave this earth, that I’ve made the world a better place. This goes back to the story about my buddy, Kendall is I want to know that when I’m laying on my deathbed that I left it all out on the field and that long after I’m on this earth, what I’ve created and the business, because this is my native genius or whatever you want to call it, the way that I feel that I can leave the biggest impact is through business because it’s just the skill that I have.

I want to know that my business is going to last long after I’m off this earth and that it’s still making the world a better place. What that looks like, I mean, just to quantify it is either it’s at least 100 million if not $1 billion plus company because that’s when I know like it will actually make a widespread impact.

Josh Felber: Sure, yeah. I mean, at that point you’re definitely touching a lot of people for sure at that level.

Chandler Bolt: Sure.

Josh Felber: So we’ve just got a few minutes left. Just wanted to see where can people find out more information about you, Self-Publishing School, and everything else?

Chandler Bolt: Yes. You can head on over to self-publishingschool.com. That’s our site. There’s a blog there as well. We put out tons of free content, free videos, webinars, trainings, you name it. There’s ton of free stuff there. Then for the book, it’s either on Amazon. You can find it there.

Josh Felber: Okay.

Chandler Bolt: Or you can go to self-publishingschool.com/published. That’s basically we’ve got some free copies available over there. All you have to do is cover shipping mainly.

Josh Felber: Awesome. Tell me what’s one piece of technology that you just can’t live without?

Chandler Bolt: Slack, it’s team communication for a virtual team. Actually Slack and Asana. That one-two combo, Asana for project management, Slack for team communication.

Josh Felber: Cool, awesome. Then just last, any last parting words you want to leave with our listeners before we go?

Chandler Bolt: Leave it on the field.

Josh Felber: Leave it on the field.

Chandler Bolt: Get after it. Don’t lose because of lack of effort. A lot of people are losing because of lack of effort. I don’t want to be like a Gary Vaynerchuk like, “You’ve got to hustle. You’ve got to grind.” I’m not going to go very far with that, but I do believe that the one thing that you can control in life is effort. I love that part about Gary’s message. I mean, I really resonate with a lot of what he says. Sometimes it can be a little much, but I really do think that the one thing that you can control is effort, so don’t lose because of lack of effort.

Josh Felber: Definitely. I think effort is critical. You can dream. You can set your goals, but if you don’t take that action and continue so you put that effort out there, whatever level suits you best to make things happen, it’s going to sit in the same spot it was when you came up with the idea.

Chandler Bolt: 100%.

Josh Felber: I really appreciate you coming on the show today. It was an honor to have you on Making Bank, spend some time, learn some more about what you have going on, I’d definitely like to have you back again in the future, and again, thank you for your time today, Chandler.

Chandler Bolt: Thanks, Josh. Thanks for having me.

Josh Felber: For sure. I am Josh Felber. You’re watching Making Bank. You get out and be extraordinary.